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PostSubject: Re: Can A Christian Lose His Salvation?   Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:49 am

but the problem with the view that a christian who turns from the Lord was never really saved - means that ANY of us could be not saved... we have no way of knowing if we'll persevere... we hope we will... but cant be sure...

i feel like while we can still say we have 'assurance of salvation' it really is no assurance at all if we might have never been believers in the first place...

maybe this is the 'fear and trembling' - either way... if you turn from the Lord, youre in trouble.... whether you were a christian in the first place or not... you're in trouble..

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PostSubject: It ain't over till its over - but God sees all ends!   Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:13 am

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but the problem with the view that a christian who turns from the Lord was never really saved - means that ANY of us could be not saved... we have no way of knowing if we'll persevere... we hope we will... but cant be sure...

I am not saying that the Christian was never really saved. I believe there is a significant difference between the temporal and the eternal perspective. Say a person has thorns and thistles in their life that have the potential to choke out the Word. When the seed hits the ground we see the new life that is starting. We are unaware of the thorns and thistles that threaten to eventually choke out the new life of the beliver (cares and concerns of this world). From the eternal perspective, God knows the eventual effect these thorns will have on the beliver. We are encouraged to cast our cares upon Him, becasue he cares for us (1 Peter 5:7). But we have to chose to do so. Weeds are present in all of our lives, as are rocks - but we can get rid of them. Only God knows how we will handle these impediments. Parables are not prophecies - one need not be rocky ground. The final story of our life is not written until we are dead
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PostSubject: Re: Can A Christian Lose His Salvation?   Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:14 pm

maflynn wrote:
What's your take on it.

1 Corinthians 10:1-13 "For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert.

Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: "The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in pagan revelry." We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. We should not test the Lord, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes. And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel.

These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come. So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall! No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it."
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