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PostSubject: the necessity of a strong male leader for the nation and why i might vote obama   Sun May 11, 2008 5:31 pm

I dont know if he'll do a good job. I dont know if he's religiously a wacko... but it seems so important for us to have a leader with the appearance of confidence and strength. I wonder if he would be the only one who could at all restore credibility to our nation across the world....
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PostSubject: Re: the necessity of a strong male leader for the nation and why i might vote obama   Sun May 11, 2008 6:10 pm

a leader with the appearance of confidence and strength? jesus of nazareth might disagree with you there.
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PostSubject: Re: the necessity of a strong male leader for the nation and why i might vote obama   Sun May 11, 2008 6:19 pm

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a leader with the appearance of confidence and strength? jesus of nazareth might disagree with you there.

well said. i'm not sure I agree with anything about obama, but I do wonder just how important that appearance of confidence and strength is... might be seriously significant...
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PostSubject: Re: the necessity of a strong male leader for the nation and why i might vote obama   Sun May 11, 2008 6:24 pm

wouldn't it be better if he was confident and strong, rather than just appear to be? and what do we want him to be strong and confident about?
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PostSubject: Re: the necessity of a strong male leader for the nation and why i might vote obama   Sun May 11, 2008 6:43 pm

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wouldn't it be better if he was confident and strong, rather than just appear to be? and what do we want him to be strong and confident about?

you cant keep asking more questions! or i suppose you can... you know being opinionated you can start a few threads of your own.... no pressure... i just feel bad that they've all been started by me thus far...


what I'm arguing is he may be both strong and confident, though i'm not sure I'm going to agree with any of his policies.

i want him to be strong and confident about the U.S. as a nation, to present us as a strong and powerful nation with responsibilities we aren't afraid to keep... but we'll see.

It would be nice for the world to not see us through the eyes of a bumbling president with a funky accent for a while. (as much as I have frankly liked bush)
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PostSubject: Re: the necessity of a strong male leader for the nation and why i might vote obama   Sun May 11, 2008 9:33 pm

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...I wonder if he would be the only one who could at all restore credibility to our nation across the world....

Speaking as someone (married to an american) from across the world... there is pretty much nothing America can do to retain its credibility any more.

Its sad but true

(notice I said "america" not "americans")
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PostSubject: Re: the necessity of a strong male leader for the nation and why i might vote obama   Sun May 11, 2008 9:45 pm

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rogermugs wrote:
...I wonder if he would be the only one who could at all restore credibility to our nation across the world....

Speaking as someone (married to an american) from across the world... there is pretty much nothing America can do to retain its credibility any more.

Its sad but true

(notice I said "america" not "americans")

i wish that surprised me.
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PostSubject: Re: the necessity of a strong male leader for the nation and why i might vote obama   Sun May 11, 2008 9:54 pm

It took my wife a couple of years to realise that people _do_ actually see America as it is characterised in the movies etc.

Then you go and make an actor president, then a pervert, then a dunce, and prove all the characterisations true.. If it wasnt for the fact that when America goes kaput the world economy will go kaput too, no one but americans would care what happens in america Smile

I guess thats why we signed a free trade agreement with China...
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PostSubject: Re: the necessity of a strong male leader for the nation and why i might vote obama   Sun May 11, 2008 10:18 pm

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It took my wife a couple of years to realise that people _do_ actually see America as it is characterised in the movies etc.

Then you go and make an actor president, then a pervert, then a dunce, and prove all the characterisations true.. If it wasnt for the fact that when America goes kaput the world economy will go kaput too, no one but americans would care what happens in america Smile

I guess thats why we signed a free trade agreement with China...

my residence isn't in the states either, though I am an american. I was shocked the longer I lived outside the states to see just how much propaganda we actually have in the states... i was confused. but yea... jealous of your scenery... i live in one of the most polluted cities in the world... i see the sun about 10 days a year and NEVER see green in my cement jungle... jealous.
couple of kiwi friends here tho. and they do alright.
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PostSubject: Re: the necessity of a strong male leader for the nation and why i might vote obama   Sun May 11, 2008 10:58 pm

I think the Clinton's or Obama will fair much better on the int'l political scene than McCain ever could. I just can't vote for more of the same Republican bungling of everything.

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PostSubject: Re: the necessity of a strong male leader for the nation and why i might vote obama   Sun May 11, 2008 11:11 pm

Roger,

yeah, we do ok where ever we go, we're that kinda people Smile

Nathan,

I think that after this big nomination fiasco thats going on, McCain is the ONLY one other nations will listen too.
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PostSubject: Re: the necessity of a strong male leader for the nation and why i might vote obama   Sun May 11, 2008 11:18 pm

I couldn't disagree more, but I don't really care too much since my mind is made up already.
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PostSubject: Re: the necessity of a strong male leader for the nation and why i might vote obama   Sun May 11, 2008 11:34 pm

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I couldn't disagree more, but I don't really care too much since my mind is made up already.
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heh, closed mindedness in a theologian? *shock, horror, probe!!!*

You can disagree, but since you are not outside of the USA (i suspect, anyway) then your opinion doesnt really count Razz
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PostSubject: Re: the necessity of a strong male leader for the nation and why i might vote obama   Sun May 11, 2008 11:48 pm

The nomination 'thing' isn't a fiasco. It is normal for the process to run the full course, even if it hasn't in the last few election cycles. I think the stakes are high, and the media is blowing things out of proportion. What else is new? I have lived overseas and have friends and family abroad, but I have spent most of my life in the US. And finally, I am not a theologian nor close-minded; just don't allot much time for politics, haha.
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PostSubject: Re: the necessity of a strong male leader for the nation and why i might vote obama   Mon May 12, 2008 12:00 am

I stand (or currently sit) corrected (but then, anyone who studies the bible (professionally or not) is doing theology, right?)

Although, it certainly seems like a fiasco over here... two people from the same party fighting each other for the one job, publicly.. dirty tricks, name calling, insults, etc.. ick.
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PostSubject: Re: the necessity of a strong male leader for the nation and why i might vote obama   Mon May 12, 2008 12:07 am

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Although, it certainly seems like a fiasco over here... two people from the same party fighting each other for the one job, publicly.. dirty tricks, name calling, insults, etc.. ick.
That seems like pretty standard fare for politics.

Yeah I suppose I am participating in theology somehow, but I don't perceive myself with that label. Might I add that it is hard to display emotion with text. These smilies just don't capture my winking nature.

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PostSubject: Re: the necessity of a strong male leader for the nation and why i might vote obama   Mon May 12, 2008 1:41 am

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i want him to be strong and confident about the U.S. as a nation, to present us as a strong and powerful nation with responsibilities we aren't afraid to keep... but we'll see.

It would be nice for the world to not see us through the eyes of a bumbling president with a funky accent for a while. (as much as I have frankly liked bush)

Obama is a politician, which makes him a liar. Whatever he presents himself to be, he isn't. Whatever responsibilities he might give the appearance of us as a nation keeping, we won't. And quite frankly, I've liked Bush as well. I really, I mean really, think that people are so enamored by Obama because they see him as the anti-Bush, not because he's the most qualified for the job.

My vote's for McCain. Go Beruplicans!
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PostSubject: Re: the necessity of a strong male leader for the nation and why i might vote obama   Mon May 12, 2008 5:33 am

Nathan wrote:
Geoff wrote:
Although, it certainly seems like a fiasco over here... two people from the same party fighting each other for the one job, publicly.. dirty tricks, name calling, insults, etc.. ick.
That seems like pretty standard fare for politics.

Yeah I suppose I am participating in theology somehow, but I don't perceive myself with that label. Might I add that it is hard to display emotion with text. These smilies just don't capture my winking nature.

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PostSubject: Re: the necessity of a strong male leader for the nation and why i might vote obama   Mon May 12, 2008 12:10 pm

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Although, it certainly seems like a fiasco over here... two people from the same party fighting each other for the one job, publicly.. dirty tricks, name calling, insults, etc.. ick.

geoff we take serious pride in the fact that there is competition for that position (albiet pretty lame competition this time around...) but still. we love our democracy

how do ya'll do it down under (and over a bit)? throw a rock and see who you hit?
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PostSubject: Re: the necessity of a strong male leader for the nation and why i might vote obama   Mon May 12, 2008 8:58 pm

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we love our democracy

how do ya'll do it down under (and over a bit)? throw a rock and see who you hit?

No, we have 2 main parties, and we vote for the party (not person). We have a proportional representation model which creates (supposedly) a more democratic democracy.. Although you wouldnt know that with the current bunch of clowns in power.
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PostSubject: Re: the necessity of a strong male leader for the nation and why i might vote obama   Thu May 15, 2008 7:42 pm

Do I really have to chime in here?
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PostSubject: Re: the necessity of a strong male leader for the nation and why i might vote obama   Thu May 15, 2008 7:57 pm

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Do I really have to chime in here?

That would entirely depend on what you are chiming... Question
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PostSubject: Re: the necessity of a strong male leader for the nation and why i might vote obama   Thu May 15, 2008 10:42 pm

Geoff wrote:
tc wrote:
Do I really have to chime in here?

That would entirely depend on what you are chiming... Question

and what specifically that chime is made of (eg. bamboo... metal?)
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PostSubject: Re: the necessity of a strong male leader for the nation and why i might vote obama   Mon May 19, 2008 10:09 am

Nick Norelli wrote:
Obama is a politician, which makes him a liar.


Maybe I'm naive, but I think this kind of generalization is just lame. There are people who see meaning in life, a call and a desire to serve others. Politics is a system that benefits from people doing the right thing, and all who enter that system are not doing it for selfish reasons.

Also, I reject the implication in the title of this thread. Why cannot a woman be a good, strong leader of our nation? There have historically been many great women leaders, from the ancient times to modern.
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PostSubject: Re: the necessity of a strong male leader for the nation and why i might vote obama   Mon May 19, 2008 12:30 pm

design...

i shouldn't be laughing but I am. I am opposed to a female leader simply because we have to work and operate in the middle east. Frankly, they WILL NOT respect a woman leader. how can we expect to have any amount of influence if we send over what is to them a second class person.

but i agree with you about the generalization. William Wilberforce was- after all - a politician.

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