Internet Monk

Xenophile Joined : 09 May 2008 Posts : 145

Yeah it seems quite the mess. I'm wondering why he took both posts down. He had already closed the comments. Maybe he was having to moderate a ton of comments.
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Subject: Re: Internet Monk Tue May 13, 2008 8:08 pm

it did seem quite the personal story to be processing with the world

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Subject: Re: Internet Monk Wed May 14, 2008 3:10 am

Nathan wrote "her becoming atheist or Muslim".

Nick wrote "her leaving God for idols".

Nick, surely you realise that Muslims totally abhor idols, more so than the most anti-Catholic stained-glass-window-smashing Christians, and atheists don't worship them either?

But I agree with you in finding it difficult to see why the wife becoming a Catholic is being viewed as quite such a serious matter. I think you guys need to learn more about Catholics as well as about Muslims.

Xenophile Joined : 09 May 2008 Posts : 145

I don't have any problems with Catholics or Muslims, and I understand them well enough.

What I can't wrap my head around is why his wife is pushing the issue. I also don't believe in the concept of "spiritual abuse"... seriously?! She had no problems for 30 years and now she suddenly hears from God and converts to Catholicism? Something is wrong, and I don't think it's him. And if God was speaking to him and he hasn't heard it, she still needs to wait until he does. As my wife put it, "Even if she dies before that happens."
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Subject: Re: Internet Monk Wed May 14, 2008 5:04 pm

Nathan, if it was you whom God told to move to a different church and your wife wasn't happy with it, would you obey her rather than God? If not, on what basis do you expect a wife to obey her husband rather than God?

Xenophile Joined : 09 May 2008 Posts : 145

1 Corinthians 11:3

It's pretty cut and dried and this whole discussion is a perfect case in point IMO.

For your example, applied to myself: If my wife was a pastor and had a ministry and I'd been supporting her for 30 years, then I probably wouldn't change churches until we were both in agreement. For the average lay couple, they should make decisions after coming to agreement. If there is none then whatever the husband decides. Not a popular sentiment in today's post-liberation societies, but that's my take.
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Subject: Re: Internet Monk Wed May 14, 2008 5:26 pm

Ah well, if we want to discuss 1 Corinthians 11:3 that is a whole different story which will need a different thread. But I don't really want to get into it in this forum. Suffice it to say that "head" does not mean "dictator", and the suggestion that is does is totally contradictory to the teaching of Jesus.

Xenophile Joined : 09 May 2008 Posts : 145

Well I didn't feel like looking up and quoting all of the submission verses, such as those in Eph. 5. I don't really feel like going into this topic either. If there is an impasse it seems the Bible provides pretty clear direction.
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Subject: Re: Internet Monk Wed May 14, 2008 5:54 pm

Well, Nathan, I think we should just recognise that our very different attitudes to this situation derive from very different attitudes towards the roles of husband and wife in marriage.

Subject: Re: Internet Monk Wed May 21, 2008 1:03 pm

i think ya'll could settle this by deciding who should defer to whom in a biblical/gender based way.
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Xenophile Joined : 09 May 2008 Posts : 145

I'm going to step out of this one and just try to do what the Bible says.

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Subject: Re: Internet Monk Wed May 21, 2008 5:34 pm

well... at least we've established how easy it is to determine what that is... scratch

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